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Morgana Tsukiyo
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Posted - 2017.04.07 00:52:34 -
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Would you please share the voting options/decisions at least before a full report ? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.07 18:38:54 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:The alarm just triggered: Kyonoke detected aboard. To probably nobody's great surprise.
It's a little hard to detect. I wonder how long it's been here.
At least since 119/04/02
All the intel publicly available outside the Inquest is being gathered here. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.07 23:36:39 -
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By now everyone would be used to the death and ressurection show that we capsuleers perform from time to time. Sure, some deaths are worse than others, but we have the best tech available to ensure we are not gone for long.
My main concern is for the crew and scientists that are not fortunate (nor rich) enough to have access to cloning tech. Hope their respective institutions had updated clones of them prior to the Inquest.
If any capsuleer does get infected, take the express way out of this body and get on a new one fast. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:18:58 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: Direct cloning maybe contraindicated: neurological symptoms. Reversibility and extent of damage unclear.
Pseudo-immortality: strained a little.
Well, at least i make sure that i have the most updated information stored whenever i leave my pod to avoid this exactly type of problem. As long as i do this, i have no issues with mortality.
But yes, if the ones infected have trouble with their transfer, better resort to the latest backup instead.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:30:10 -
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Please invite everyone at the inquest to share the information they gather so we outside can look at the material and help with process in a more cool headed way.
With the information so far there are a lot of things suggesting foul play from unkown actors, imagine with all the info that is in there.
I hope we stay focused on the safe recovery and treatment of the population instead of political powerplay from the major factions. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 12:42:47 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The unfortunate thing is that we are not able to vote against resolutions, excepting that we support another; essentially, it's not A or Not-A and B or Not-B, but A or B. Were it possible, the ARC coordination group did not like either act, and would have rebuffed them both. However, it may be necessary to undertake extreme measures to eliminate the Kyonoke pathogen, especially if we are unable to secure Akira Kasaras before 'Vulture' does. The unfortunate and brutal necessity of preserving the ability to act decisively compelled us to this course of action, despite our desire to ensure transparency. As such, while we will be unable to ensure transparency by the major powers, ARC will be providing a full update once the Inquest closes, with all available intelligence, rationales, and general developments of each day.
I read somewhere that you can make amends to the text so that is not A OR B, go for AB option. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:28:42 -
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Crowdfund the resources!
Tomorrow on The Scope: "Cheap capsuleer bastards dont want to spend resources to solve problems that major factions started. As usual, the population suffer. RIOTS and decapitaded heads from the upper and burocratic class everywhere." |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 16:51:02 -
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There is a huge difference between:
- Hey, the tab for the proposal that is not binary will be 1 trillion isk, we don-¦t have it, give us moneys
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- It-¦s expensive, won-¦t happen. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 14:57:51 -
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How are the spirits inside the Keepstar? Are the non privilleged habitants happy with the cure? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:12:06 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: Well, there may have been drunken celebration after the conclusion of the formal Inquest, if that's any indication.
I meant after the arrival of equipments. Everyone chill headed and all with the reclusion time ? |
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:42:32 -
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As i read the comms where capsuleers interact, i can only think what a shame is that only on a time of crisis so many different mentalities can be brought together.
At least the social engineering was an positive accomplishment. Let-¦s see the fallout of all this.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:27:29 -
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Well, the weaponization report talked about the aquisition of samples, so they don-¦t have access to the sample, so they-¦re probably not Caldari.
I-¦m looking foward to the declassification of the documents to see where this one came from. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:15:29 -
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Meds are being tested, quarantined people are not being torched, conspiracy is being investigated, people are happy to be alive, factions cooperated and a crisis was averted.
Can we be happy for this and focus on productive actions from now on? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:32:28 -
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Yes i agree that for such dire events, we should be getting a flood of reporting on a 24h basis from all media outlets. But we already know that ACN decided not to talk about the things happening, and The Scope is providing some information, but on broad strokes only.
I-¦m not disagreeing with you on that. I tried to present all the public data on the subject, but since i was not at the inquest, i can-¦t provide the finer details of backroom deals, fineprint on the resolutions and so on.
However, all in all we still have margin for optimism.
Simply scorching the earth and killing all the infected subjects makes room for that "one that escaped" and the cycle would start over with the weaponization of the kyonoke and very bad things happening in the near future, specially with the renewal of the major factions going for the throats of each other accusing everyone of "Not helping" and "Being responsible".
Sharing the intel is a good step, i just fail to understand how the hell such an important topic was dealth by the factions in a binary way, specially since the proposals weren-¦t mutually exclusive.
That intrigues me the most. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:10:46 -
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Arrendis wrote: No, see, that's it, they're not being tested. They're being rushed out to the quarantine zones. That's not a controlled environment. That's not rigorous testing with proper safety measures in place. And if you think it is, how often do you support testing new, experimental munitions in childrens' classrooms?
Honestly, what is wrong with you people that you think this slipshod, improvisational approach to the lives of the apparently trillions of people in one city and four space stations isn't complete nonsense?
Between the outright elimination of all the people on the quarantine zones, and a rushed out "don-¦t know what will happen but they-¦re all secured in one location so if somehitng happen on the long term we-¦ll know", i go for option 2.
I-¦m not seeing as a cure, i-¦m seeing this as a controled experiment where we have all the elements to analyze on the long run the results.
And this means keeping the people in quarantine until we get the results from the tests.
Better than going Ammar trials on them. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 01:16:50 -
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Arrendis, i can understand your concern for proper procedure, but the options on the table were.
1 - Kill everyone and burn everything
2 - Test a possible cure, see if it-¦s ok to clear the people after some time, burn everything. If needed, kill everyone.
Would you not give the people some time for a chance of survival? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 01:41:11 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Even more so when we are dealing with things that will be administrated to the cluster.
Why are you presuming the procedures will be applied to the cluster? It concerns the ones on quarantine zones. The ones that were about to die anyway.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 01:59:02 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: And it will, eventually, end up being administrated to everyone else not in the quarantine zones because, get this, the Kyonoke Pit is still there and last I checked, there are still contaminated ships out there that haven't been accounted for.
A scenario that would still be happening even if people torched the quarantine zones, but this time without a cure involved.
I-¦m really trying to understand the arguments, but i can-¦t help but wonder if some of what is written is just ill intent.
The "nuke from above" is still on the table. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 02:07:58 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: My suggestion isn't 'sterilisation', it's 'don't rush the vaccine!'.
Let-¦s start from there then.
You have millions of people trapped in quarantine zones with a killer pathogen. They are dying.
You have something that might make them stop dying.
What do you do with it? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 02:15:04 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Again, don't rush the vaccine. Develop it regardless, still run proper testing procedures, DO IT RIGHT! The possibility of a million deaths in quarantine is no excuse for accidentally causing another million deaths because your vaccine isn't properly tested before administration.
From what i understand then, just let them die while you develop a formally tested vaccine? |
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 02:22:01 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Use them as part of the test then.
The moment they are stuck in quarantine they are already dead men walking. Use them to save the rest of the cluster. If any of them are saved after 18 months of testing, that's a bonus.
But that is exactly what is being done!
They are the test ground for a vaccine prototype, they are being monitored, they will be watched, the efficacy will be tested, they will be observed for a while and then when everything is properly analyzed, we-¦ll have a final version.
If somehting goes bad in the meantime, burn everything and keep researching. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 02:32:16 -
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Now that the factions can see a glimpse of hope on the horizon, i hope they vaccinate people, move them to a secure location (the keepstar if needed), burn everything on the previous locations (and the pit) and lock them at the secure location until everything is tested out.
The Caldari citizens would collaborate with this without a doubt, i just don-¦t know about the other factions.
But again, capsuleers are the kind of people that goes around exploring unknown space and steal implants from dead corpses and plug them in without much questioning. So it can go either way. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 02:50:03 -
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There was a huge pressure from all the 4 groups to take advantage from the situation, now that they-¦re going to start from the same point (the research data being shared), i-¦m counting on more "proper procedure time" since they don-¦t have to be at each others neck and escalate the stuff since it-¦s out in the open.
That includes: People going into the quarantine zones to do things. Like they already started
As for the "cure", i hope that Gallente and Minmatar legislators regulate the actions of Poteque and Eifyr, limiting the vaccines to the quarantine zones like announced.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 03:36:25 -
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Arrendis wrote: Minmatar whats?
Chiefs. You mean the Chiefs. There's seven of them. That's how they get **** actually done. Yes, there's an advisory body that likes to act like a legislature, but nobody cares about, or pays attention to, them.
Do the chiefs legislate? If so, they-¦re legislators. I can-¦t be more comprehensive than that.
Quote: And... Eifyr's been pretty much linked to every single illegal and black-market booster and drug cocktail trade ring in the cluster at one point or another. Heck, it's in the official company profile! Good luck keeping them from profiting off of this on the black market.
Edit to add: Also, you should probably re-read the announcement you claim says the treatment's being limited to the quarantine zones. It says nothing about limiting it, only that it's already going to two of the quarantine zones, and they expect it will be rolled out to the others 'as soon as possible'. Nothing in there whatsoever about 'it's not going to be made available to all you panicked consumers screaming 'TAKE MY MONEY BUT SAVE MY BABY' out there.!'
There-¦s nothing saying that they-¦ll distribute it around the cluster. And if all goes right, Kyonoke dies at the quarantine zones and the pit, so no need to distribute a cure.
I think the majority of the population would know the difference between a vaccine and a cure. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 04:13:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: You forgot about the previous breaches into Kyonoke Pit and those vessels being unaccounted for. There are no guarantees that Kyonoke will not resurface.
If it does, then more quarantine zones, more test subjects, and by that time, a fully funcitional antidote. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.11 16:32:04 -
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Arrendis wrote: As Aria tried to warn Ronin once: I am incredibly pedantic. This kind of worrying (in the gnawing, not the anxiety, sense) over a bone of contention? This is how I relax. There is literally no point at which this will not be fun for me.
Especially not when I'm right. Which I am.
What would be your steps then? You have the quarantine people locked up, and something that is being called an antidote.
Next step? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.13 03:55:45 -
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More news.
Apply antidote, remove survivors, burn/vacuum infected places. I-¦m ok with that.
Quote:Meanwhile, the Directive Enforcement Department has launched a full investigation into the origins of the Kyonoke Plague. The investigation comes after it was revealed that blood from now deceased Caldari nationalist fugitive Akira Kasaras was used by Poteque Pharmaceuticals, The Servant Sisters of EVE and Eifyr & Co to create an antidote. Speculation has been rife among geneticists and virologists since the revelation of a cure, which apparently consists of a structured bio-speck that acts as a counter for the Kyonoke speck, rendering it inert.
Many experts have commented that this method of rendering an outbreak inert is a common practice in the field of biological weapons deployment, indicating that the Kyonoke Plague could indeed be man made, rather than a naturally occurring disease as was previously thought.
Well well well. We have documents on a weaponization, 2 big pharma groups with a fast and effective antidote, and a dead caldari nationalist being a test tube.
The only ones needing some air time on this mess are the Ammar. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.13 04:16:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:These are one of those times where even State citizens share the same opinion as outsiders. I remember citizens are also counted as stakeholders in the State?
We-¦re not cold blooded machines, of course we wanted to save as many as we could.
But if no antidote had been found, the pragmatic, efficient way would be to secure all locations.
With fire. Lot-¦s of it.
We-¦re abandoning and destroying an entire city because it will be less expensive to build a new one rather than fixing the current. It-¦s more efficient this way.
So would be killing a few million infected/soon to be infected people in order to save trillions from being exposed to it.
Cmon, it-¦s not that hard to understand the necessity of this course of action IF we didn-¦t get the antidote in time. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.14 00:58:16 -
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A good way of alerting the authorities of any percieved error, would be contacting them directly. |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.14 14:20:14 -
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I find the current situation rather amuzing actually.
Here we are, the elite of the elite, powerful in ways that manking barely understand, objects of fear and awe in equal measure, owners of a fortune bigger than the production of entire systems, with the firepower to conquer and vanquish entire regions....
And yet, like any ordinary individual, we are part of a system that is bigger than us. A tiny drop on a vast ocean, thinking that we alone are capable of starting a tsunami.
A drop, no matter how shiny, is only this. A part of the whole.
We come and we go throughout the time, emerging and fading in the illusion conscience, of segregation, of beign apart.
Your frustrations come from your expectations. Expectations that involve an illusion of control, of beign able to do something and attribute the consequences to your actions.
As the Sleeper, Tekmahl, Talocan, Yan jung, and many others that came before us, we-¦re bound to fade and reemerge as something new.
Release the thought of control, ride the tides of the universe in action, feel the flow and obstruction and know that we are what can not be.
The Tengu description is quite appropriate for this ocasion.
Quote:When we first saw the flock, we were surrounded, caught in a spectacle of stimuli. Brilliant colors, dancing lights, beautiful cacophonies, wafting ambrosia. Those birds surrounded us, each one a different shape, an altered species, a new wonder. I tried to follow a single bird, but my efforts were futile: Transformation is natural to their existence. Imagine it: an undulating mass, a changing mob, all those beasts partaking in wonderful transmogrification.
These were our augurs, our deliverers, our saviors. Standing amidst the flock, we should have feared their glory; instead, we drew hope. This moment is the first time I understood what it meant to be Caldari: Divinity in the flock, delivery in flux, one being, many changes.
- Janto Sitarbe, The Legendary Flock |
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.14 16:14:57 -
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Wanna grab a drink? |

Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.15 01:30:11 -
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Arrendis wrote: That has a history of getting me tasered.
Even more interesting. Where do i pick you up? 
Aria Jenneth wrote: Interesting ... so 0410's a tailored counter. No wonder they were talking about it like an antidote. It like a key for switching a (horrifying) weapon off.
A tailored counter that was an advanced research against a weaponized variant under the scrutiny of an unknown agency that didn-¦t had acess to the pit and manipulated Caldari extremists to get some.
My oh my, who could be involved in this?
Absolutely no idea.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:25:59 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: True, and they'd be mad to work on modifying the thing without having the bucket of water right there. Of course, the whole purpose of the work would be to render the bucket of water ineffective....
Or watch the world burn and close the door behind them once and for all.
Much better option than "Look, i have a toy that hurts, i also have a kiss that heals, but now everyone knows how the toy hurts and how to kiss it better so i will make a slightly different toy and hope they don-¦t discover my new slightly different kiss".
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